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How far to test kids beyond grade level?
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2/21/2012 3:03:08 PM
User 494783
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We have some teachers at our building who insist on testing kids using the BAS to their absolute ceiling, fall, winter and spring. What are your recommendations/guidelines to prevent over assessment? Should this benchmark be used to measure growth this way? What about test fatigue?
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2/21/2012 7:47:02 PM
Monica in Maryland
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In my district we do not test any first graders beyond M, or second graders beyond P. We didn't always have these caps in place, but are happy that we now have them.
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6/20/2012 11:21:56 AM
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I haven't seen an answer to this question any where from the F & P team, but am very interested in the response.
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6/20/2012 2:16:29 PM
User 494783
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I want to know the answer to this as well....Fountas and Pinnell, what is your opinion on this?
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8/30/2012 1:37:01 PM
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I spoke to Irene Fountas at the International Reading Convention last April and she said you should not go more than a year ahead.
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9/15/2012 6:19:27 AM
Kathy
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Referring to the "ceiling," is this to find the instructional level? Isn't that the information we are seeking in order to know where to instruct the student?
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9/17/2012 12:34:29 PM
The Fountas & Pinnell Team
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Our apologies for not replying to this thread sooner.
If students go beyond the recommended year-end benchmark for their grade level, their comprehension must be satisfactory or excellent before moving on. Each school must decide how far to take such students above grade level in the assessment (assuming they are meeting the accuracy and comprehension requirements). As noted previously, Irene has said on some occasions that there are diminishing returns on testing more than a year above recommended grade-level goals. When a student is above grade level, teaching can continue to broaden the student's knowledge and understanding of all of the genre (both in reading and writing) so he or she will be reading age appropriate texts.
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9/23/2012 3:47:13 PM
cruiser
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The other problem I have seen is that students fluency is often not good, but because that is not part of determining a child's level,people continue to push them on, even when they read very slowly or with no intonation or expression. That is what worries me, as comprehension will not continue to be strong if fluency is poor.
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9/25/2012 8:51:24 AM
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I didn't realize you could cap them at a certian level. What are the benefits of doing this?
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Because you can never know enough.
